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October 15th, 2008
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Here's why I'm voting for Barack Obama (and you should, too)
Okay, so I don't like to get political, but I finally decided it's time to weigh in with my own opinion -- partly because I looked at CNN's electoral map and discovered that Washington state is only *leaning* towards Obama. Leaning?!

Reason #1: Sarah Palin. If you haven't seen the Katie Couric interviews (day 1, day 2) by now, you really need to. Living next to Russia and Canada does not give you foreign policy experience. Stringing together catch phrases and buzz words in nonsensical order is not an answer to a question about the $700 billion bailout plan. If McCain is elected president, Sarah Palin could well end up sitting in the most powerful seat in the world. This scares the willies out of me.

Reason #2: John McCain. When he was nominated by the Republican party, I was pleased. I thought, 'here's a guy that I can live with as president of the United States.' I knew that I would prefer Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but McCain seemed far more moderate in his views than the current administration. So if the Democrats lost the general election, I thought that the altenrative was at least acceptable. Then he nominated Sarah Palin to be his vice president. She is clearly unqualified for the position. So why did he do it? Pretty clearly it was for political reasons -- to shore up his conservative base and to attempt to win over women. This is appalling. He chose to nominate someone that he believed would improve his odds of being elected, with no thought for the awful risk of putting someone so unprepared into the White House.

Contrast that with Barack Obama. He could have chosen Hillary Clinton as his running mate. It would have immediately healed much of the rift in the Democratic party. It would have helped his status among women voters. But he feared (rightly or wrongly) that the Clintons at his side would have had their own agenda and made it more difficult for him to govern. So he chose Joe Biden, whose foreign policy experience (he is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Policy Committee) helps to shore up one of Obama's weaker areas. Senator Obama chose a running mate who would help him be a better president, not one who would make him a better candidate. That's a decision that was made for the good of the country.

And that leads me to...

Reason #3: Wise leadership. Barack Obama thinks ahead. His responses to questions are measured and soft spoken. He obviously does his homework. He has convinced me that he will govern wisely. Every candidate has gaps in his or her knowledge. Every candidate is weak in some areas and strong in others. The important thing is that a president realizes when he *doesn't* know the answer -- when to consult his advisors and listen to them. To govern wisely.

I don't agree with every one of Barack Obama's positions, but I trust him.

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From:keith_london
Date:October 15th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
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Reasons #1 and #2 for voting Obama aren't particularly good ones, IMO. It is based on a hypothetical fear. First, that McCain will die in office. It seems also based on very superficial faults against Palin. As if she won't have wise advisors should she have to deal with foreign affairs. You're also totally ignoring her accomplishments as Governor, as a reformer, and her knowledge and experience in handling energy-related issues. You also totally ignore her ability to communicate to ordinary Americans.

#2 likewise. If people really wanted to judge a potential president by his choice of VP, then Biden fails - because he is the epitome of that "status quo", that "old Washngton politics" that Obama rails against, and made it his "brand". Obama will, let's be honest, be learning on the job (from Biden perhaps).

So both reasons are "negative" - rather than positive. Also, when you describe a candidate as choice of someone "with no thought for the awful risk of putting someone so unprepared into the White House" - IMO, that exactly describes Obama!

Reason #3 - what leadership? The guy can talk, that is about all. I didn't see any leadership from Obama when they were dealing with the bailout bill. If you analyse his words, they amount to platitudes a lot of the time. He hasn't kept many of his promises so far. He has shifted his position on Iraq, and is naiive enough to want to talk without preconditions to US's enemies such as Iran (and now he's shifted his position on that too). He hasn't got the honesty to acknowledge that the surge in Iraq has worked. All in all, he tells people what they want to hear.

And I don't think he has earned that trust yet. Many Americans still don't really trust him. He stone-walls on issues that relate to his past associations with the worst possible and sometimes un-American characters - William Ayers, Reverend Wright, Rezko. As McCain put it, there's always some "back story" with Obama.

(So no I don't think anyone should vote for Obama at this point in time. If they do, it is a gamble. If people are willing to take that gamble, that's their choice. But as Clinton and Biden have said, Obama is not ready to be president. Hypothetically, I would only support Obama as a possible VP at this stage, if at all)
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From:jkling
Date:October 15th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
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Are my first 2 arguments negative? You bet. There's plenty not to like about McCain/Palin.

I find it interesting that you celebrate Palin's ability to communicate and then put Obama down as just a lot of talk. Which way do you want it?

The difference is, Palin is ignorant. Gave you watched those Katie Couric interviews? If so, explain her answer to the bailout question to me. Defend if you can how Russian planes flying into Alaskan air space gives her foreign policy experience.

Obama's leadership: when asked a question at a debate, he gives details about what his plans are. He has presented his economic stimulus plan. Some of what he says are platitudes? Of course! He's a politician. You think John "My Friends" McCain doesn't speak platitudes? How about these quotes

-- "I'm going to kick his you-know-what (in the next debate)!" That's amateurish.

-- "I'll get him (bin Laden). I know how to get him, and I'll get him."


Now, has Obama shifted positions? Yes, and I'm glad. I don't want politicians who remain stuck to their positions, unwilling to consider changing their views. A willingness to change one's mind is not a bad thing.

Finally, in fact, many Americans do trust Obama. One recent poll reported by CNN had 55% of respondents calling Obama "safe" with 45% calling him "risky." McCain? 50/50.
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From:keith_london
Date:October 15th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
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You frame your reasoning in absurd terms (which is your prerogative). it's like me asking - defend if you know why Palin shouln't deserve her high approval ratings as Governor?

Palin's straight talking appeals to many. Obama has come across as elitist. Many commentators in the UK see straigh away (and even marvel) how Obama can get away with such "vacuous words" (their description).

You apply double standards to your own arguments which you fail to realise: for example - let's face it, Obama chose Biden because that increased his odds of winning too. And if you thought that disqualified McCain, then Obama too is disqualified (by your own "reasoning").

What is the margin of error in your Obama "safe" poll? That sounds rather flimsy. On the other hand real people interviewed on the street have expressed doubt and uncertainty with Obama. Even Obama himself would readily acknowledge that the voters still don't really know him. Hence all that razzmatazz styrofoam decorated stadium for his speech (very eco-unfriendly too, I would have thought!)

Changing positions in itself isn't particularly bad - but Obama changes position - "moving further and further to the right" (as one American journalist has described it) to try and win votes is despicable. Look at his "beyrayal" over FISA. It was pathetic!

"This bill allows the President to grab all incoming and outgoing international communications without a warrant. The ACLU says it represents "an unprecedented extension of governmental surveillance over Americans." Obama, sounding on Friday a lot like Bush, said: "Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay." [Source: The Progressive - Obama's FISA Betrayal]

If you're going to drum up support for Obama, at least be honest!
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From:jkling
Date:October 15th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
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You frame your reasoning in absurd terms (which is your prerogative). it's like me asking - defend if you know why Palin shouln't deserve her high approval ratings as Governor?

In other words, no, you can't defend her. Have you even listened to those interviews? I have yet to hear any defense of her anywhere and clearly with good reason -- she's indefensible.

You apply double standards to your own arguments which you fail to realise: for example - let's face it, Obama chose Biden because that increased his odds of winning too. And if you thought that disqualified McCain, then Obama too is disqualified (by your own "reasoning").

Well, that's a willful misrepresentation of an argument if ever I heard one. Real life is nuanced. There is more than one aspect to any given argument. Yes, Biden helps Obama get elected, but not as much as Clinton would have. You know this. You argued it yourself when Obama selected Biden. You're flying all over the map with scattershot attacks, much like the McCain campaign in recent weeks.

Changing positions in itself isn't particularly bad - but Obama changes position - "moving further and further to the right"

Heh. You claim Obama is moving to the right. McCain claims that Obama is a liberal. What a lovely dance, back and forth.


Well, I'll give you the last word and then bow out. It's lunch time and then back to work for me.
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From:keith_london
Date:October 15th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
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*laughs* You're all over the place, as I hope I have shown.

It's actually not mutually exclusive that obama is a liberal and has moved to the right. He was so far to the left in the first place, did you not know?

The onus is really on you, as you're promoting Obama. I take issue with your "reasons" that's all, and therefore feel they ought to be challenged.

By the way, I note you consistently mis-spell "Barack" - one "r" not two - see his web site. At least get your man's name right!
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From:jkling
Date:October 15th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
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By the way, I note you consistently mis-spell "Barack" - one "r" not two - see his web site. At least get your man's name right!

Gah. Noted and corrected.
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From:mcjulie
Date:October 15th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)

For what it's worth

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You probably already know where I stand on this issue overall, but even so, I think you defended your points better than Mr. London defended his -- he resorted to insane troll logic on more than one occasion.

It was an opportunity for him to perhaps make a good opposing point or two for the benefit of Obama supporters reading your journal -- instead, his rants inspired me to wonder "who is this querulous idiot? He seems awfully angry about something but it's hard to tell what."
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From:keith_london
Date:October 18th, 2008 11:07 am (UTC)

Re: For what it's worth

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"resorted to insane troll logic" -- such as???

Back up your accusations!

(You ought to realise that resorting to vacuous name-calling means you do come across as an "empty suit" - having nothing worthwhile to add.)

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From:anghara
Date:October 15th, 2008 10:23 pm (UTC)
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I might have voted for him.

But no vote of mine is going to Biden. In any way shape or form. I'm happy to tell you why, if anyone's really interested, but I don't see the point of discussing it further out here - my reasons won't change anyone's mind.

No, I'm not going to vote for Wolf-Killer and Maverick, either. So if you want to look at it that way, mine will be a wasted vote whichever way you want to slice it. Can't be helped.

If he'd picked a different running mate (and no, I don't mean Hillary, the same reasons apply here as they do with Biden) I might have voted for Obama in November. As it is... not that he'll miss it, but he's lost one vote.
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From:jkling
Date:October 15th, 2008 11:03 pm (UTC)
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I'm interested. What's your beef with Biden?
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From:farmgirl1146
Date:October 16th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
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I agree with your argument. I will be voting Obama/Biden. I had reservations about Biden, but I have read extensively about him since he was nominated to be VP, and I found that much of what I thought I knew was wrong. It was misinformation that had been cleverly used by the Republicans against him starting years ago, and seems to have been aimed at him as a Senator.

There is no perfect candidate, but the Republicans have created a mess that may financially destroy this country. Everything that they and their propaganda machines (ala Fox News and others) say about Obama is more applicable to McCain-Palin. It is true that "the GOP has given us the first-ever Presidential/Vice Presidential slate with one member adjudicated guilty of a severe ethics violation and the other formally accused of a severe ethics/law violation." This is appalling.

I happen to also be a unhappy capitalist, and I am very upset that Fidel Bush ;) wants nationalize our banking system. Shall we give the foxes a key to our hen house?

Everything that Obama and Biden say about the middle class is true. By voting for them, I am voting for a team of people who I am hoping and praying will lead this country back to prospertity.
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From:bjcooper
Date:October 16th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)

Yep

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You are so right!
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From:paulcarp
Date:October 18th, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
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I can only assume this comment thread is evidence of why you don't like to get political...

Disclosure: Dennis Kucinich was my pick early on.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 18th, 2008 07:36 am (UTC)

America is a the most RACIST country,

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When the world can see the inner charming and wise of Barrack Obama, America will only see it as a black. White people, just think, you and my shit is the same smell. From: Chinese.
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